>
> At 06:53 PM 9/2/2002 +0000, mjriv1 wrote:
> >I just found a fair number of pics on VCL of this character named
Jade.
>
>http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Martin-Gerlach/Jade%20-%20Colour%2
0drawings/Jade_-
> _My_First.gif
> >Is it just me or does it look an awful lot like someone else we know
here?
>
> .....
> Sooooooo.... let's go off on a bandwagon and rip a furry artist a new
> hole, huh? There are a couple of things to consider here before you
jump
> in with the lynch mob.
>
> 1: See:
>
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Martin-Gerlach/Notes%20from%20the%
> 20Artist/J._M._Hardiman_problems.txt
>
> You're not the first to notice the similarities.
>
> Even see:
>
http://vcl.ctrl-c.liu.se/vcl/Artists/Martin-Gerlach/Notes%20from%20the%2
0Artist/Bio_-
> _Jade_Lee_Green.txt
>
> Where he admits plainly that he used ideas from Jim's pages for the
> creation of that document.
>
> 2: Characters cannot, and never have been able to be copyrighted. You
> cannot say "So and So is copyright to me." You can only say "This
PICTURE
> I created of So and So is copyright to me." The only thing that can be
> done to a character itself is be trademarked. So, unless our lovely
> lizardess by Jim is trademarked, there is no legal foul.
>
> 3: Okay, now that we have decided that most likely (Unless Jim has a
> trademark), there is nothing illegal going on here, it's a simple
matter of
> the fact that this is, technically, a different character. I hate to
say
> it, but no matter how popular, or how unpopular an artist or idea is,
no
> matter how original something seems, somebody else has probably done
it
> before, or will do it in the future without ever having seen any other
> copies of such a thing.
>
> If somebody can show me that Jim is hurt in some way by these
pictures,
> then by all means, ask the person nicely to stop. But for gods sake,
> people, don't form a lynch mob without reason! Parallel ideas happen.
I
> have a character who is a winged mostly-fox. Does that mean I should
go
> out and scream at everybody else who draws anything even remotely
similar
> to that, under different names, and accuse them of copying me? Um,
> No. Doug Winger draws busty vixens. Should we scream at everybody who
> draws a busty vixen and accuse them of copying Doug Winger?
>
> What I see at this point is an artist who put a lot of effort into
drawing
> pictures, was very pleased with them, and then discovered "Ah, gee,
some
> other artist has a named character who resembles mine." When you can
find
> BETTER evidence of copying than "His Lizard kinda looks like it could
look
> like this other lizard."... And I mean: "He traced." or "He
plagiarized.",
> not "His character looks like this other one."... When you can present
> that, I am all for smacking the person with a clue by four.
>
> Until then, there is no legal ground for being upset at him (Unless,
again,
> Jim has a trademark), and DEFINITELY no moral ground for chasing a
furry
> artist out of the fandom.
>
> We have lost enough artists due to stupid crap, we have a lot of
excellent
> artists who will never draw a furry thing again, and a lot of
disheartened
> artists. And do you know why? It's because some fans do extremely
stupid
> things. The fans themselves are smart, but they end up doing something
not
> too brilliant, and chasing away another part of what creates this
> fandom. And when you've chased all the artists away, whatchya gonna
do?
>
> So lay off. Get better evidence. Show me that Jim has a trademark.
Show
> me that this guy physically copied. Otherwise, chill.
>
> *Drags his soap box away grumbling... Geeze, this group seriously
loves
> lynch mobs. Think we could take joy in doing something OTHER than
ripping
> entrails from people in the misguided name of justice?*
>
> Signing under his REAL name, because he considers this serious,
>
> David Parenteau
>
>
As I have been saying all the time... I created Jade even before I new
anything about J.M. Hardiman or Des... I think thay are great artists
and that is why I joined their groups...
but I still created Jade before I ever saw a Anthropomorphic Lizard
(well. I saw one that Max BR had made some time back: Lizard-Beth - But
tats all).
Red the documents before you start judgeing people...
Martin Gerlach (And thanks to David Parenteau for you help in this the
second round of: Kick out another furry-artist)...
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