I'm a newbie here at the Skunkworks but I have to
agree with everything said here in. I too have been
known to do some of the things that are menchand. I
see nothing wrong with this way of thinking and I can
understand about frod and pergary. Just thought I
would put my two cents in and say that I agree
completely with your line of thinking. Thanks for
listening, brotherfox
--- Tethasandry J'kress <tethas_at_shaw.ca> wrote:
> Warning before you begin: This has only a little to
> do with Skunkworks,
> through it has some and has to do with recent posts,
> and it slighty
> rant-like. If you do't wanna hear it, best skip
> now...I won't be offended
> ^_^
>
> I download and save many works of art I find on the
> internet for my own
> personal picture library. I have even tried coloring
> a couple B&W's, and
> sent both back to the original artists, but I'm not
> completely happy with
> them and am certianly no expert. There are some
> things you can't acheive
> well with a mouse, but thats a problem when youc
> an't hold a pen either. But
> these are PERSONAL libraries, and in the case of the
> two I colored, the
> original artist is always given full credit...they
> made the lines, I just
> used a few tools to have fun. I even have a copy of
> the original work on
> both of those pictures. If anyone of my freinds ask
> for a picture, I upload
> it to them...I won't even pause to think about it.
> This is picture sharing.
> I am not taking pictures not normaly found on the
> web and sendingt hem to
> others, and I am not taking credit away from the
> artist. Usualy I can find
> out who drew what, and if someone likes a particular
> picture, I send them
> the artists webpage so they can see more from that
> artist. This, personaly,
> I see nothing wrong with, and there is TRULY no way
> to stop this if anyone
> wanted to. Freedom of information you could say, I
> guess.
>
> Picture Theft is another matter entirly, and this is
> usualy what makes
> artists mad. There are many ways of stealing
> pictures from an artist, not
> all of them take any credit away from the artist
> either, through some of
> them take money away. However the most obvoise way
> of stealing art online is
> to download it fromt heir website, modifying it
> possibly in some way
> (removeing any signatures and possibly making it
> look slightly different),
> then reposting it as THEIR artwork. This is obvoise
> theft, and is illegal as
> well, due to copyright voilation. You don't actualy
> have to register
> something to make it copyrighted...signing original
> work is enough if you
> HAVE the original signed version and can prove it is
> the original beyond
> doubt. Registering just makes it alot faster and
> easier.
> The less obvoise methods don't neccisarly take
> anything away from the
> artist, but still comprimise theft. Downloading
> artwork, and then posting it
> all online on your personal website or FTP may not
> seem bad, but if you
> don't have permision, it can take away alot of
> reginition for the artist,
> which is important online. When making a picture
> online, alot of artists
> don't get any money for it at all, and thus the
> regenition is the most
> important part. Most poeple who allow their art put
> on other poeples
> websites insist on a link to their own website or a
> note about where the
> pictures came from and how to contact the artist,
> and most poeple who do
> this properly have already planned on that anyways.
> Scanning artwork out of comics however directly
> takes money out of the
> artists pocket. Yes, alot of us are poor, and we
> like seeing the work which
> we can't get, but alot of poepel are also just
> greedy and would rather
> download it for free then pay for it, even if it's
> pocket change to them.
> This may not take any reconition from the artist,
> but it hurts them in a
> worse way. Downloading these images is not exactly
> right nor wrong...some
> poeple say that your encoraging the person to do
> this, but the truth is if
> they started doing it, their gonna keep doing it
> unforently until stopped by
> the law, rather poeple actualy LOOK at them or not.
> I openly admit I have
> pictures that I know are illegal...but knowing they
> are, they are in the
> list of things I will NOT send to others, and I
> would never actualy ask for
> someoen to scan them in. Infact, if I find out who
> originaly scanned those
> pictures in, the artist who drew them would get an
> email about it as soon as
> I could track them down...thats the difference
> between supporting poeple
> scanning pictures in, and just making use of what
> some dimwit already did,
> and tyring to turn it into as good a thing as
> possible. Uploading your own
> commisions is somewhat borderline...you PAID for the
> artwork, but it is
> still theirs. Personaly I believe you should still
> ask the artist first, but
> if you dont' claim to have made the picture this
> really doesn't take much
> away from them, if anything at all.
>
> So, if you have a picture that you scanned in
> yourself out of a comic, do
> everyone a favour and delete it or at least not
> share it with anyone, unless
> you already have permision from the artist. Your not
> helping anyone, and the
> comic or picture you got it from works much
> better...it doesn't require you
> to plug it into a wall to view, just a little bit of
> light! But if you
> already have one someone else scanned in...don't go
> asking for more, but you
> may as well keep what you have, through if you like
> it enough to keep it,
> try and buy whatever it came out of to! This will at
> least support the
> artist in some way. And don't share these
> either...rather you keep them or
> not, sharing them is almost as bad as scanning them
> in the first place.
>
> As a final note: I am not blaming anyone for
> anything, or trying to start an
> argument. These are my PERSONAL views. If you find
> them just offensive or
> wrong, Im sorry...but I request you just delete this
> message and move on. If
> you want to discuss these calmly with me on a
> intelgectual level, either
> email me personaly (tethas_at_shaw.ca), or try to keep
> it from getting out of
> hand. My views are just that, no more right then
> most others, and I will
> calmly discuss them with those who wish to do such,
> but flames, insults,
> ect. will be ignored...I won't even bother reading
> them. Once again I'm
> sorry for such a borderline post, and hope no one
> takes any offense to this
> post. I just had one of those feelings where I
> simply HAD to say something
> ^_^
>
> -Tethas
>
> P.S. Yes, I know there are spelling errors. Most of
> these are typos...please
> don't send spelling corrections however. If you
> don't understand a word and
> desire to figure out what it is, email me privately
> and I will try to
> explain or clarify things for you, but both my
> spelling and my typing are
> not 100%, hwoever this is not a report or even
> something I expect alot of
> you to read, so I don't see the point of
> spellchecking it.
>
>
>
>
Received on Wed May 05 2004 - 23:39:30 CDT