And here I was gonna go to the front of German class. J
From: SkunkworksAMA_at_yahoogroups.com [mailto:SkunkworksAMA_at_yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lyle K
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 8:23 AM
To: SkunkworksAMA_at_yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [SkunkworksAMA] Re: AR-15
Very good, Andrew. You move to the front of the history class!
There is no such thing as a dream that you cannot obtain.
You may have to work for it, however.
R. Bach, Illusions
--- On Sat, 10/17/09, Andrew Greene <blaze_at_speakeasy.net> wrote:
From: Andrew Greene <blaze_at_speakeasy.net>
Subject: RE: [SkunkworksAMA] Re: AR-15
To: SkunkworksAMA_at_yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 17, 2009, 11:28 PM
‘Assault rifle’ was not coined by the media. It was coined by the Germans. It’s a literal translation of ‘Sturmgewher’
From: SkunkworksAMA_at_ yahoogroups. com [mailto:SkunkworksA MA_at_yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Nomad Rhodes
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 10:48 PM
To: SkunkworksAMA_at_ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [SkunkworksAMA] Re: AR-15
I have two AR rifles and two AK47s.
People should remember that they are two very different animals.
The AR was meant to be a combat rifle (Assault rifle is a term coined by the media) the AK is a machine gun, it was made to be unkillable and to be accurate in a urban close quarter environment.
Trying to compare the AK to the AR is apple's and Oranges.
But in the end they are a blast to shoot :)
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From: Jorge Puentes <chakatsnowfur_at_ yahoo.com>
To: SkunkworksAMA_at_ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 12:08:30 PM
Subject: Re: [SkunkworksAMA] Re: AR-15
Yes I heard a lot of the stories regarding the poor performance in the early days of the M-16. I think now they have deployed twith the new model m16-a4 . The G-9 assault rifle is a excellent rifle also. The Hk never to say is good. But I would go with the Original Ak-74 for there is the market are several imitations mostly from China copy knock offs that are not that good . The AK models were build for war . You can grabs the Original AK and hide them for a month in mud and then pull them out . They would fire as if nothing would happen . My rl Father whom served in Vietnam for two years knew what a crummy riffle the old version of the M-16 . His group would fight with their M-14 and had results...or the Old BAR that would turn the jungles into splinters.
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From: Rick Pikul <chakatfirepaw_at_ gmail.com <
http://gmail.com/> >
To: SkunkworksAMA_at_ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sat, October 17, 2009 8:30:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SkunkworksAMA] Re: AR-15
On Friday 16 October 2009 23:24, Lyle K wrote:
> Nah. You can keep the AK's. Never cared for them. Granted, they are tough
> and reliable, but I will stick with my HK. Bit on the hefty side, but I
> have found it accurate, reliable and being chambered for 7.62mm...well,
> that's stopping power!
The rule of thumb when it comes to the AR-15 family vs. the Kalashnikovs[ 1]
is: If you have well trained troops who know how to take care of their
equipment them the AR-15 wins hands down: More accurate, more lethal, as
good or better penetration[ 2]. If your troops have minimal training, give
them Kalashnikovs because they will have a hard time breaking them.
There are a lot of stories about how 'the M16 sucks', almost all of which come
from issues during early deployment of the XM16E1 that were fixed four
decades ago.
[1] Pet peeve: People who call them AK-47s, the AK-47 is a _very_ rare gun.
Almost everything called that is actually either an AKM/AKM knockoff or an
AK-74, (which replaced the AKM in Soviet service back in the 70's).
[2] Assuming current ammunition, the early 5.56NATO rounds did have poor
penetration.
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Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)
Received on Sun Oct 18 2009 - 10:07:44 CDT