On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Rick Pikul <chakatfirepaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Thursday 31 December 2009 00:52, Ryan wrote:
> > There's plenty of other little subcultures out there that
> > would say a collective "HELL NO" to a lot of the stuff that goes on
> within
> > furry. Now, I'm sure they have their own problems, but this 'corruption'
> > issue is probably not among them.
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> Care to name any?
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> It's certainly not any that could be described as a fandom.
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Er, sure. I don't know, but I suspect that Louis L'Amour fan clubs don't
and put up with pedophiles and people who think diapers are sexy. The folks
who go to Hemmingway look-alike contests still probably don't have to fuss
with that- and they actually wear costumes! There's probably thousands of
examples of fan-communities based around automobiles, authors, politicians,
some artists, all kinds of stuff, that doesn't have to deal with this.
Your examples were SF fans, gamers, anime fans, and furries- stop and
realize that 99% of the time, you're talking about *the same fucking people
*in each group, or at least the same class of people. Once realize that
not everybody, and not every fan-community consists of 15-30 year old
internet addicts looking to escape from reality by any means necessary,
you'll see that furry turning out the way it did was by no means a given.
> No internal purity drives have ever succeeded in either getting rid of the
> fringes, improving the subculture's image or stopping those that are going
> to
> tar everyone based on what the most extreme do.
>
Well, of course not, because at any given time, only a very small
percentage of a subcultures membership (or, those that ever participate in
discussion, as opposed to just quietly consuming the material) would ever
WANT it to succeed- the vast majority would instantly rise up to whine and
bitch about 'who are we to judge' and 'stop the persecution' and things like
that. It's just the nature of who we are. And by 'we', I mean again the
16-30 year old internet escapist crowd, who tend to equate standards with
fascism.
But that's just my point. It's only because most people in these fandoms
have that attitude, that these problems exist. People act like stepping back
and refusing to judge makes them neutral, like it's away to avoid causing
problems. But it's not- it causes *this *problem.
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Received on Thu Dec 31 2009 - 15:05:24 CST