Re: [SkunkworksAMA] Re: question

From: Kit Parenteau <kitfoxen_at_gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2013 17:10:14 -0600


Water carried to space generally comes in squeeze packets, so the
container always bears a volume pretty close to or exactly equal to the
volume of the water.

On 6/24/2013 12:54 PM, Larry Barron wrote:
> OK, I AM assuming that this IS the anthropomorphic world…
> They do have a space like ours?
> They do have a space program?
> They do have at least one dead space craft floating in space like
> ours? (Say a space station that has been abandoned or that something
> went wrong kind of like Apollo 13 only they did NOT make it back?) you
> also have to assume that in this space craft there is a supply of
> water in a container that CAN withstand the sudden introduction of a n
> ear total vacuum by say a relatively fast moving particle (either
> space debris or a meteorite) puncturing the pressurized container that
> is the housing unit that contains the water container? THEN you have
> to also assume that it is in the relative cold of space sounding earth
> (or whatever they call there planet). Then you have to assume that
> during the time it stays in a stable orbit what happens to the empty half?
> The water will be in a rather cold frozen state, and it will be in a
> container that is NOT exposed to a near total vacuum but rather an
> oxygen rich atmosphere (nearly pure oxygen) of approximately 5psi or
> slightly greater an that there would be only micro gravity and thus no
> bottom and top for crud only the sides and the middle which would mean
> there would only be some equilibrium of some sort?
> Count your life by smiles, not tears;
> Count your age by friends, not years.
>
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> *From:* Rick Pikul <chakatfirepaw_at_gmail.com>
> *To:* SkunkworksAMA_at_yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:16 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [SkunkworksAMA] Re: question
>
> On Wednesday 19 June 2013 15:01, Larry Barron wrote:
> > OK, But what if the watter if frozen (like in the cold of space)
> and the
> > glass is designes to hold the pressure of the expanding
> watter/gas (NOTE
> > ITS NOT AIR! Only oxygen & hydrogen as AIR is MOSTLY nitrogen)
> as in a dead
> > space ship?
>
> Presuming that the glass and the ice are sufficiently strong to
> withstand the
> pressure difference and that the shape of the glass will prevent
> the ice from
> sliding further into the glass:
>
> It depends on the temperature.
>
> If the temperature is low enough that the ice will not melt then
> some of the
> ice will sublimate into the vacuum, soon reaching an equilibrium.
> Eventually
> the process of sublimation from the atmospheric side will result
> in the ice
> suffering a structural failure.
>
> If it is warm enough for the ice to melt then the ice plug will
> slowly slip
> down into the glass as the edges melt. Vapor in the lower cavity will
> condense out as the volume is reduced as the pressure goes above
> the vapor
> pressure.
>
> --
> Chakat Firepaw - Inventor & Scientist (Mad)
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