> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:36:44 -0600
> From: David Parenteau <kitfox_at_firstlight.net>
>Subject: RE: Digest Number 1439
> >I take offense to that weasel comment which is an obvious species slur
> >against my being a skunk! Many people think that speciesism isn’t
>anything
> >that should be taken seriously and think that it’s harmless, but it’s not
>
> >it deanthosises the anthro using the slur and being slurred as well. >_<
>
>Eeep? Wow... Conflict...
Speciesism is a serious problem in furry fandom today – to refer to a skunk
as a weasel or a wolf as a dog is very demeaning to the fur in question – we
can’t tolerate specieist behavior, comments or slurs. ;)
>"Weasel your way out" refers to the fact that weasels are extremely
>long,>slender, and flexible, thus allowing them to fit their entire body
>through>any opening that they can get their head through. This makes
>them>exceptionally good escape artists, as well as lovers. Anybody who
>has>ferrets in real life knows this. (Especially after you find the ferret
>somehow in an otherwise seemingly-inaccessible location).
Yeah, yeah – and all lions are good leaders and all crows are good at math –
specie stereotypes, no matter how positive they might be perceived as, are
still stereotypes.
>Now, skunks on the other hand lack this benefit and just stink. At
>least>certain ones who smoke too much do. The sisters themselves may not
>be>quite as agile as weasels, but that's okay.
WTF?!? Now THAT is an outright speciest remark if I ever read one! This
fur needs some species sensitivity training!
>Well, given my statement about smoking skunks stinking, I guess it's a
>good>thing you're a cigar-smoking badger. ;)
***sputters***
I will not tolerate comments like that – just because we both sport black
and white fur patterns which are similar does not make us an interchangeable
species – it’s attitudes like this which caused the systematic slaughter of
over 5 million mice half a century ago by the cats. O_O
>A lot of people will disagree with this. The premise being that
>"Yiff">does not or should not translate into a negative connotation. So
>in>positive use: "He screwed me until I was singing last night! It
>was>wonderful!", you can replace "screwed" with "yiffed". But in
>negative>sense: "95 down the twisty mountain road. Brakes died. Big cliff
>ahead.>Steering just locked up. Dude. We're screwed. (In the background,
>some
>porcupine cackles gleefully as he puts away his automotive tools)"...
>Well,>'yiffed' just doesn't work for most people in that sense. Less so if
>you>try to say something like "Yiff you, you mother-yiffing yiff-sicle.
>You're>so yiffing yiffed in the head that your yiffing sense of yiffing
>humor is>yiffed beyond belief!"... REALLY doesn't work.
I disagree – first off, you failed to take into consideration that your
analogy fails equally well with the word “screwed” replacing the word
“yiffed” – your so screwing screwed in the head that your screwing sense of
screwing humor is screwed beyond belief – see?
Proper usage and context are key to using the furry language – some words
have full interchangability while others have partial interchangability –
slang and cultural trends will determine when something is appropriate. For
example, my people initially preferred being refered to as “black and
whites” then later that became speciest and we preferred being called
“mephit Americans” but that fell out of vogue and we started preferring
being refered to as “furs or no color” and currently we are going with being
simply called “skunks.”
So as you can see, language is constantly changing, evolving and devolving,
thus while “yiff” might have had a positive only connotation, it has since
changed to give it the flexability to be a positive or a negative. If you
feel resistive to this, recall that originally, yiff was simply a greeting
or expression of pleasure – the sexual activity connotation is a slang
bastardization of the root word.
> >Just wrap me in tobacco leaves and have me cremated. : /
>
>You know... if it wasn't for the smell that burning fur makes...
I should have been more specific – the tobacco leaves in question should be
Honduran maduro long leaves which have been sweated and aged at least two
years, with perhaps a nice Nicaraguan binder – a truly heavenly aroma
combination which is capable of even overcoming and masking the stench of a
fanboy late Sunday afternoon at a convention. :D
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> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:42:37 -0000
> From: "Stanley L. Alston, Jr." <leoni2_at_juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 1439
>You need to take a chill pill.>First, have a cigar, then take>prozak, then
>say hello to mr.
>hammer here. ;)
See, this is what I’m talking about, it starts with slurs and then leads to
species violence! O_O
>Not once Des sees it. And I think>her vision was 20/20. :P
Yeah, and she’s even more evil then Jim. O_o
> > Yiffed does mean screwed. ;)
>
>And a rose still means that you>are in big trouble, dude. :P
Ah, a reference to an ancient conspiracy under the rose – quite eloquent
(either that or an attempt at referencing Shakespear).
>I rather not. I don't want to catch>the dreaded second hand smoke. :P
Pah, first species discrimination and now smoker discrimination – when will
it all end?!? >_<
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> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 18:55:23 -0000
> From: "Stanley L. Alston, Jr." <leoni2_at_juno.com>
>Subject: Re: Digest Number 1439
> > Now, skunks on the other hand lack>this benefit and just stink. At least
>certain ones who smoke too much do.
>
>I do not know this person. :)
He’s a fellow speciest – don’t you furs all network or something? ;)
> > The sisters themselves may not be>quite as agile as weasels, but
>that's>okay.
>
>Pray that you never have to find that>out in person. :P
CS is happy to say that he’s found the limits of the sister’s agility and it
wasn’t what he’d describe as an unpleasant experience. ;)
>Hmm, never thought of that. How good are>porcupines at smellin'? :P
Pretty keen olfactory senses if memory serves – a certain porcupine I know
claims that he can smell me as soon as I step into the dealer’s den.
> > You know... if it wasn't for the smell>that burning fur makes...
>
>And I stand behind my second hand smoke>comment. :P
Pah, second hand smoke and first hand discrimination – if you let them
outlaw my cigars today they’ll be coming for your claws and quills tomarrow.
O_O
CS
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